Friday, November 03, 2006

U.S. citizens to be required ''clearance'' to leave the United States

We've seen a long list of threats to our privacy and human rights recently. We think it all went downhill on October 17th. But this is just the latest move to become a 'secure' Totalitarian state.

If the U.S. government (a.k.a Bush Administration) gets its way, beginning on Jan. 14, 2007, we'll all be on no-fly lists, unless the government gives us permission to leave-or re-enter-the United States.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (HSA) has proposed that all airlines and cruise lines be required to obtain clearance for each passenger they propose taking into or out of the United States.

"This proposed rule implements the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 requirement that such information be provided to the government before departure of the aircraft. This proposed rule provides air carriers a choice between transmitting complete manifests no later than 60-minutes prior to departure of the aircraft or transmitting manifest information on passengers as each passenger checks in for the flight, up to but no later than 15 minutes prior to departure."

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Under both options, the carrier will not permit the boarding of a passenger unless the passenger has been cleared by CBP (Customs and Border Protection)."

Entire official federal document
USCBP-2005-0003-0005

When the DHS system comes into effect next January, your U.S. Passport won't matter, if the agency says "no" to a clearance request, or doesn't answer the request at all, you won't be permitted to enter-or leave-the United States. The decision would probably be made without a warrant, and come with many violations to your rights.

Earlier this year, HSA forbade airlines from transporting an 18-year-old a native-born U.S. citizen, back to the United States. The prohibition lasted nearly six months until it was finally lifted a few weeks ago. Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union are two countries in recent history that didn't allow their citizens to travel abroad without permission. Hey, that's neat! What are your thoughts on this?

See this PDF document for more information.

Via Friends of Liberty

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"Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union are two countries in recent history that didn't allow their citizens to travel abroad without permission."

Add to that list a contemporary country: "Disneyland with the Death Penalty" aka Singapore. Pity it's still around.

Deej said...

Indeed

Anonymous said...

Some 9/11 notes:

Link.

Deej said...

So what do you think happened?

Anonymous said...

All the current and former communist countries in Eastern Europe, China, Vietnam, Cuba etc. denied free travel to their citizens.

Anonymous said...

If they don't let me back in the country, then I'll fly to Canada and walk over, eh.

Anonymous said...

Hey, we Canadians are decent people. I take offense to that. I bet some USA-hole said that.

Anonymous said...

At least we have a choice. How about the North Koreans. Do they have a choice?

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The choice of not leaving, you mean? Yeah, that seems to apply to North Korea too.

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Hey, we North Koreans are hard working people. Who said we don't have a choice. I take offense to that. Just because you eat three meals a day doesn't make you better than us in North Korea. Our fearless leader is as close as you can get to a living God. The people of North Korea support our living God, even if he wears platform shoes and large lady eyeshades. So what. The devils in the West still worship the artist formerly known as Prince and he wore four inch heels. Our vertically challenged, but always well groomed fearless leader is better looking than your fat bloated Elvis. And sings better too. Jumpsuits will make a comeback. You'll see. The world will one day worship our handsome leader and beg for his forgiveness. To show your gratitude to our fearless living God, you will visit his myspace page, myspace.com/wonderfulfearlessleaderandlivingGod. You will beg to be added as his friend. You will marvel at his photogenic face. You will stare at his well defined bone structure in perfect balance to his rosy cheeks. You will be envious at the sheen and thickness of his majestic hair. You will be thankful our wonderful leader lets you exist in the same dimension. He actually prefers to exit in the fourth dimension so you can admire him and all his spassitudes.

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another USA - hole here posting (posing) as a north korean i bet :) ... very humourous , nonetheless!

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Anonymous said...

This is unforgivable why don't you USA-Holes do something about it?
Protest, freak out, rampage. I would considering doors are closing to US citizen's all over the world. It's becoming increasingly more difficult to enter other countries with a USA Passport besides their bed buddy the UK. They seem to let anyone in to stay.

Anonymous said...

Where's the source? I googled all oer the web and news and can't find any credible source to tis blurp.

Anonymous said...

it can be found at the federal register website.

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Bill LeClere said...

god...it's a nightmare...

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For everyone asking a for a source, here it is (also at the end of the article). LINK TO SOURCE (Gov't Doc)

Anonymous said...

Every day I pray the GWB has a massive, and very painful heart attack and dies.

FYI TO SECRET SERVICE: this is NOT a threat. I repeat, it is NOT a threat. It's a dream. We are still allowed to dream aren't we?

Anonymous said...

To above commenter, they probably won't be able to find you.

Or will they?

I take that back. The US can do whatever it wants, because it's like a Nazi Fascist state. Fucking assholes.

I agree GWB should have a massive heart attack. That would kick ass bitch.

Andy Dabydeen said...

Americans ... move to China!

Anonymous said...

If they let me out at this point that would be enough ....

Anonymous said...

Has anyone actually read the document? It doesn't say anything about requiring clearance. It only says that passenger manifest lists, which are already sent to the government today must be sent before the flight leaves instead of after the flight has left. This really isn't a big deal...

Anonymous said...

anonymous said:

"Add to that list a contemporary country: "Disneyland with the Death Penalty" aka Singapore. Pity it's still around."

Singaporeans don't need permission to leave or enter Singapore. Check your facts before you post.

Anonymous said...

What difference does it make? Are you LIBS afraid the Feds will see you visiting your friend Hugo?

Hey LIB tards...you don't have to leave the US, there are enough traitors at DU to keep you occupied.

Deej said...

Yes, it is big deal - because if the get the passenger manifests BEFORE the flight leaves as opposed to AFTER. Then they can say if you get to leave or not. HELLO!

Apaprently you did not read it:

"Accordingly, with this proposed rule, CBP is proposing two transmission options for air carriers to select from at their discretion: (i) the submission of complete manifests no later than 60 minutes prior to departure or (ii) transmitting passenger data as individual, real-time transactions, i.e., as each passenger checks in, up to but no later than 15 minutes prior to departure. Under both options, the carrier will not permit the boarding of a passenger unless the passenger has been cleared by CBP (Customs and Border Protection)."

Yes, I am worried I won't get the get out of this place. And visit Hugo. apparently you are content with staying here and not going places, "CONtard".

Anonymous said...

Here's a question... how many of you that posted have actually even been outside your own city let alone the USA or Canada? I bet at the most, two of you. Here's a thought.. before barking at your own country.. try living and working and learning the culture of another country. You might wake up and smell the coffee and realise.. oh! your goverment really isn't out to get you! EEKS! What a thought! I think perhaps you all have too much time on your hands. Perhaps try college or getting a job maybe?

Deej said...

I actually lived in Singapore for almost 3 years.

And there you are with your Republicanesque stereotypes.

"how many of you that posted have actually even been outside your own city let alone the USA or Canada? I bet at the most, two of you."

Try college? Why don't you try fucking off!

Anonymous said...

I agree with "who's ever actually left the country?"

I'm a bit upset: i live outside the country (college), and may want to return home for vacation. What if i can't get into, or back out of the country?

And why doesn't anyone do anything? because the percentage of people that have actually left the country (or will EVER leave)- not including Canada and Mexico- is probably less than how many people vote for mickey mouse to be president every year. (just a guess)

the problem isn't NOW and this new 'clearance', the problem is that US citizens live in a box, contained by the fear and "insight" into other cultures- AS SEEN ON TV!
and now it's a box with filter.

Anonymous said...

Yes, That was exactly the point, Americans live in a box. Most Americans have no idea what is out there and think we are the only ones that matter.
If you live in another country then I'm sure if you research it you will see they have the same type system in progress along with many other countries.
I think it is great that you live outside the USA and are experiencing another culture.
If Americans want to know why other countries feel the way they do about us look no further than in the mirror. If you ask the average Joe in another country why? Simple they say, those that travel are loud, spoiled and show no respect for those in our country, we see what America is like through our media and we don't like it.
As far as Singapore goes... it's NY City only in Asia. That really doesn't count to me as another country.
Another point, do the research, see the average amount of people, ethnic backgrounds that try and get into our country everyday. If our goverment is so bad, why do they keep coming in the thousands?

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Well I lve in the former DDR (East Germny) and after being here for many years living with the ex ddr germans, they know and I know now that it is wrong to hold your people prisoner to thier country. Have you all forgotten what freedom is? Its leaving and returning ( coming and going ) as you like without having to report to some empireistic government office to get clearance. Thats a prison, just like the DDR (East Germany) was to Russia. The people could not leave. Only old folks over 62 were premitted into the west on a pass.

The American people should take control again. Someone else here said it best,A "KANUK" I think: He said " Rampage ". We all just have to stop what we are doing and just shut the machine down. Dont buy dont sell dont work dont go to school, everyone gather in one place ( A QUIET RAMPAGE ) and lets see who is really in charge. when the cogs in the machine are not at thier posts to feed the machine the machine will crumble, and a new machine will have to be built one thats suits the American beliefs. Theres no need for another civil war or anymore death.The attack on the profits hurts them way more, we can win peacefully and quietly. THERE ARE MORE OF US THAN THERE ARE OF THEM!!! SO STOP AND THINK WHOS REALLY IN CONTROL, SHUT DOWN THE MACHINE quietly and peacefully. Then lets build up new, just like in 1776, theres is really no other solution.

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Well I lve in the former DDR (East Germny) and after being here for many years living with the ex ddr germans, they know and I know now that it is wrong to hold your people prisoner to thier country. Have you all forgotten what freedom is? Its leaving and returning ( coming and going ) as you like without having to report to some empireistic government office to get clearance. Thats a prison, just like the DDR (East Germany) was to Russia. The people could not leave. Only old folks over 62 were premitted into the west on a pass.

The American people should take control again. Someone else here said it best,A "KANUK" I think: He said " Rampage ". We all just have to stop what we are doing and just shut the machine down. Dont buy dont sell dont work dont go to school, everyone gather in one place ( A QUIET RAMPAGE ) and lets see who is really in charge. when the cogs in the machine are not at thier posts to feed the machine the machine will crumble, and a new machine will have to be built one thats suits the American beliefs. Theres no need for another civil war or anymore death.The attack on the profits hurts them way more, we can win peacefully and quietly. THERE ARE MORE OF US THAN THERE ARE OF THEM!!! SO STOP AND THINK WHOS REALLY IN CONTROL, SHUT DOWN THE MACHINE quietly and peacefully. Then lets build up new, just like in 1776, theres is really no other solution.

UNCLE SEPH = U. S.

Anonymous said...

The U.S. is simply the rest of the world, only first. What ever this country does, others do, only AFTER the U.S. has done it. Confused? Think of the smoking ban, etc.- America enacts it and the world eventually follows. It'll be the same thing with personal liberties- the U.S. is only leading the way, and soon ALL nations will do the same shit. It's horrible, but it's true. Don't forget- the U.S. isn't some country in a vacuum- it's a nation-state comprised of the world's people. Therefore, as it goes, so goes the world. Or haven't any of you noticed how FAT the world is becoming? Once again- the U.S. initiates it, the world follows. Sad but true.

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You people really need to get a grip on reality. While you are worried about what your "facist" government is doing to you, you are missing out on what is going on in the world. First of all, you have no clue of what freedom looks like. Check this site out and then tell me how horrible our country is. www.freedomhouse.org. Now that you have a glimpse of the world around you, take notice where civil liberties are. Also look at freedom of speech because this is key. Many people ARE stuck in a bubble. Our media is so diverse that Americans/canadians/aussies/euros are not stuck in a bubble, you just corner yourselves in one by getting your core information from the Daily Show. Anyway, interesting enough, we live in western civilization. Have any of you logically thought about why we have so many immigrants consistantly coming to our countries? That reason is what we should be fighting for. Not this crap of fighting our own government, or amongst ourselves and allies. It is ok to be skeptical, but don't over do it. Now, why not look at this sight and find out why we should be worried for our future and from whom. http://www.apostatesofislam.com. Look at the links from each of the members of the site. They all have an interesting story. I am pleading with you people to actually look at these sites in detail, looking at all the links. This is the world in which we live, and I really wish you people who were lucky enough to be born into Western Civilization like myself would realize that. And for you people who will write me off as some crazy conservative who has never left the red states, and been brainwashed by the "evil" George W. Bush propaganda, I should note that in the past 5 years I have lived in 4 different countries and have travelled to over 25 more....as though i should need to justify myself to you anyway. In any case, I have heard this garbage from enough people from enough places to realize that none of you have a clue. So here is my advice to all of you....go get a clue.

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Brad said...

Just a little paranoid!

There is no way this can happen in the current system.

There would need to be a fundamental change in the way that airlines do business. This cannot happen overnight and it cant happen quitley.

What about the standby passanger that board the plane only moments before it takes off?

How about the infant that doesnt have an SS #?

there are too many "what ifs" in the current system.

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